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jeffr0cks
| Subject: Is this saying what I think its saying? Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:49 am | |
| a friend of mine asked me about this email devotional she received and was wondering if it sounds kind of coooky: - Quote :
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2 Peter 3:9
(9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Timothy 2:4
(4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Even as all men die, the same all will be made alive through Christ (I Corinthians 15:22). Everyone who has ever lived and died will be resurrected—first Christ was resurrected, then later the saints who lived before Christ's Second Coming will be resurrected at His return.
But what about the vast majority who were not Christ's? Paul in I Corinthians 15:24 includes them all in "the end"—when Christ completes His job of conquering every enemy (verse 25). That will happen after the Millennium (Revelation 20:7-10).
Those who have not heard or understood God's truth have not been irrevocably condemned to eternal death. They have not sinned willfully. They have not had a chance! Even if they lived up to the best they knew while alive, the Bible teaches that there is only one way to salvation—through belief in Christ and spiritual conversion and growth as defined in the Bible.
Most of our loved ones who have died "unsaved" did not die eternally lost. They most likely were not called during this age, but their call will come later. After the Millennium they will be resurrected to mortal life and given spiritual understanding and the opportunity to become members of God's Family. Is it just me or are they taking Scripts out of context here? And they are saying there's another chance to be 'saved' for those who died in their sins. What about Heb 9:27? Die once, then judgement? Just a quick look at their 'about me' website, they are non-trinitarian, which raises some red flags for me. http://theberean.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/About.website | |
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LaRosa Moderator
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:11 am | |
| that is way off... you die once, and then you're judged...
from just a straight read, it basically sounds as if he's saying that there's purgatory (Catholic belief)...
plus, the whole thing was rather muddled & hard to follow... i'd toss this in the trash fa' real
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Michael Administrator
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:54 am | |
| Wow. Heresy of the rankest kind.
Like LJ said, it is appointed for man to die once, and then comes the judgment. If a man dies in his sin, regardless of whether or not he has heard the gospel, judgment awaits him. All men sin willfully and knowingly. God has not left man without a moral compass. God has written His moral law on the hearts of every man. The Bible speaks of it as his conscience. Of course, "con" means with, "science" means knowledge. So man sins "with knowledge" that the things he's doing are wrong. No one has to tell a man that murder is wrong. It's a universal truth.
If a man could be saved after his death, what would that mean for those who were saved and remained faithful unto the Lord for the rest of their lives? What would be so special about their salvation? | |
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jeffr0cks
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:35 pm | |
| thanks for the response guys. yeah i'll let her know whats up about this daily devotional. i'll probably hook her up with grace gems instead | |
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Michael Administrator
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:43 pm | |
| - jeffr0cks wrote:
- thanks for the response guys. yeah i'll let her know whats up about this daily devotional. i'll probably hook her up with grace gems instead
Don't probably do that. Do it...LOL Grace Gems are the bomb. There's something going on in this generation we live in, where young people are going back to the Puritans. They were so dedicated to God and His Word. It's refreshing to read the Puritans (as well as very convicting). | |
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CLER
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:42 am | |
| please tell me this isn't part of the berean school they're trying to have at church. i hope not. i think not. i really hope not. | |
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Michael Administrator
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:46 pm | |
| - CLER wrote:
- please tell me this isn't part of the berean school they're trying to have at church. i hope not. i think not. i really hope not.
I hope not, either, because this isn't Berean-like. Not noble at all. | |
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jeffr0cks
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:29 pm | |
| - CLER wrote:
- please tell me this isn't part of the berean school they're trying to have at church. i hope not. i think not. i really hope not.
thankfully, its not. the only similarities are the names. The above devotional is by an organization called Church of the Great God based out of Charlotte, NC. The Berean bible school at your --weird saying that-- church is from Global University, which is closely tied with AG. | |
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CLER
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:58 am | |
| - jeffr0cks wrote:
- CLER wrote:
- please tell me this isn't part of the berean school they're trying to have at church. i hope not. i think not. i really hope not.
thankfully, its not. the only similarities are the names. The above devotional is by an organization called Church of the Great God based out of Charlotte, NC. The Berean bible school at your --weird saying that-- church is from Global University, which is closely tied with AG. ahhh ok. yea i spoke to our friend about this. she didn't exactly tell me where she found it, but yea good thing it's not what the church is endorsing. | |
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simply seth
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:22 am | |
| *enjoys seeing all these young folk concerned about sound teaching and biblical accuracy | |
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TwistTim
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:45 pm | |
| - jeffr0cks wrote:
- CLER wrote:
- please tell me this isn't part of the berean school they're trying to have at church. i hope not. i think not. i really hope not.
thankfully, its not. the only similarities are the names. The above devotional is by an organization called Church of the Great God based out of Charlotte, NC. The Berean bible school at your --weird saying that-- church is from Global University, which is closely tied with AG. AG = Assemblies of God? as in the Pentecostal Group? then it's still something to be a Berean about..... | |
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jeffr0cks
| Subject: Re: Is this saying what I think its saying? Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:25 pm | |
| - TwistTim wrote:
- jeffr0cks wrote:
- CLER wrote:
- please tell me this isn't part of the berean school they're trying to have at church. i hope not. i think not. i really hope not.
thankfully, its not. the only similarities are the names. The above devotional is by an organization called Church of the Great God based out of Charlotte, NC. The Berean bible school at your --weird saying that-- church is from Global University, which is closely tied with AG. AG = Assemblies of God? as in the Pentecostal Group? then it's still something to be a Berean about..... yes, the pentecostal Assemblies of God. | |
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